Thriving in the property management with your human design

We explore how Human Design can improve hiring, workflow, and wellbeing in property management by aligning roles with natural energy and decision styles. Tania Tebbit shares practical ways to spot misalignment, avoid burnout, and change team culture through simple scripts and clearer choices.

• five Human Design types and what they do best
• strategy vs authority and why decisions stall
• emotional waves vs sacral gut responses
• practical scripts for client options and faster approvals
• spotting signature emotions as misalignment signals
• role design for variety, depth, and focused bursts
• building trust so people share what lights them up
• simple team rituals that reduce friction and burnout
• how ancient models map to modern teams

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Chapters

• 0:00 Meet Tanya And The Big Idea
• 1:33 Real Estate Roots And A New Path
• 3:07 Why Human Design Belongs At Work
• 5:43 Five Types And How They Operate
• 10:47 Generators Vs Manifesting Generators
• 14:16 Variety, ADHD Labels, And Energy Truths
• 18:27 Manifestors, Projectors, Reflectors Explained
• 23:42 Strategy: Respond, Inform, And Invite
• 28:14 Decision Making: Emotional Vs Sacral
• 32:12 Apply It To Clients And Teams
• 35:22 Role Fit, Culture, And Safety
• 39:10 Signature Emotions And Misalignment
• 42:42 Team Friction, Awareness, And Workflow
• 47:04 People Pleasing, Boundaries, And Maybes
• 51:22 Charts, Profiles, And Real-Life Examples
• 57:26 Ancient Wisdom Meets Modern Offices
• 1:01:05 Takeaways And How To Connect

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:33

A lovely lady I have recently met. Her name's Tanya Tabitt, and she is from Signature Talent, and we're going to be talking a little bit about human design, but I'm gonna get you, Tanya, to explain all this for me so I don't get it wrong. So can you start off by doing a bit of an intro about yourself, where you've been, and where you are now?

SPEAKER_01: 0:57

Yeah, awesome, Ash. Thanks very much for having me on. So our worlds have collided of late, haven't they? So yeah, I suppose my background, first of all, this is a property management podcast. And I've actually been in the real estate industry. Oh my god, I'm gonna show my age since 1997. I actually came through as a sales associate, and then over those years, I actually was one of the first business development managers in Queensland back when they didn't know what to do with them. And I spent many years doing that, and then I was selling real estate software back to offices all over Queensland. So I was in and out of a lot of offices working with a lot of property management teams and agency owners. So that's my background with real estate. And over the last seven years, I've been out of real estate working on my own businesses and learning about human design and doing some consulting in that vein. But I've actually come back in last year. I came back into the world of real estate after saying, and I'm sure many of your listeners have will understand this. I'm going, I'm never going back to real estate, you know. Um, but I did come back and I came through as a you started recruitment. So I was actually like really enjoying being back in contact with my old contacts and placing people in agencies where I knew the culture was great or I knew the operating systems were great, and I'm really dedicated to only working with offices where I know the culture's good. And I'm sure you know what I mean, Ash. I've been in and out of many offices where some offices I I just wouldn't put someone there, and that's just out of my own ethics. And then I thought, how do I bring my passion of human design and getting people to understand how their energy flows and what's natural for them instead of forcing against the system and bring that into the real estate world so I could have my passion mixed with my network. And that's how this has all come about. So, human design, the way I look at human design for business, is more about finding out about your team and yourself and how your energy naturally works through you, how you're designed to make decisions better, how you can communicate better, and how you handle pressure. And when you know the individuals in your team a little bit deeper and yourself a little bit deeper, all these like aha moments start coming ahead. And you know, it just makes for, I think it makes for better culture for an office and for people to understand that even though you might have two or three property managers, say, in an office and they've got the same job description, and none of them will do the job the same. And there's reasons around who why someone maybe works faster, why someone's more reflective, why someone works better under pressure, why while someone else might sort of crumble and burn out faster. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00: 4:01

100%. And I remember a time we had a situation where a we had a fire in a rental property. And I remember my property manager at the time just dealing with it so incredibly well. And she was just like, you know, wrote the list of the order of how we had to deal with things, ticked it off as we went along, didn't absorb sort of any of that stress and just treated it like a process. And I remember that incidence because I was thinking to myself, gosh, there are so many other property managers who would have absolutely freaked and completely taken emotionally this situation on board. And I remember trying to work out what was different with this lady, thinking like, like she she just, it's not that she wasn't stressed about it, but she just handled it as a very managed strike. Absolutely. And and that was the first time that I probably paid attention to why do some property managers you know take it all on emotionally, and why do others not? And it's such an incredible place to sort of start looking at and reflecting on and what happened after that incident. I had brought in for my PM club members a coach who actually talked about like triggers that have happened in your life that also can and trauma, and when I say trauma, I'm talking about light trauma in your childhood that affects the way that you property manage today. And this is what you do with the human design is another layer of you know of this, which yeah, is it's incredible. I love it.

SPEAKER_01: 5:48

Yeah, it well, it's something to really start looking at with offices and and into business. It's probably more popular in the United States at the moment, looking at business structures and all that with human design. It's it's not really it's not what I would call a personality tool, right? Like we do have tools to look at people's personalities in the corporate world, you know, like your disc, your Maya Briggs, your strength finder. But human design goes deeper. It's more into you know, how do you hand, how can you handle pressure and what's natural for you. And I think I just did a reel on this yesterday on one of my other sites, is about you know, consistency. The modern world and modern employment and the way that you know job descriptions and everything is designed is that we're sort of expected to have this neutral energy, like the same energy every day, turn up the same, turn up the same. Where you know, we are cyclical, especially women. We are cyclical in our energy. And when people and management and leaders start to understand this cyclical cycle, it gives people sort of room to breathe and be more flexible with the way that they turn up. It doesn't mean that you're going to, you know, not work for the day or go home and have a rest. It's understanding these cycles of energy. And when I when I go into an office, so I am this year, I'm really going into doing offices personally, mainly in Brisbane and the Gold Coast, and doing like some team building exercises because it's going to be fun. And I'm doing my first one with Corinne at the end of this month at Bean Lee, and they're really excited about it. But when you get to understand the different types, so there's five main types with human design when we're when we're looking at people's overall energy. We've got what we call a manifester, we've got a generator, we've got a manifesting generator, we've got a projector, and we've got a reflector. And the way that those five types and their energy works naturally for them is actually quite different. So, say, for example, you've got probably the biggest area of people fall into is this generator or a manifesting generator. They're the two percentage-wise on their charts. And a generator is like the workhorse of the office. They're someone that turns up and they just work, work, work, you know, they never stop. And it's in their home life as well, right? They're just that person that's on the go all the time. But for them to be on the go all the time, they actually need to be lit up by the work that they do. So if they're not in the right position or the right, you know, like the right job, as to say, and they're not, it doesn't sort of like they're not excited about that job, then their battery is drained straight away and they go into this frustration state. So if you've got a generator, if you know what tasks light them up, like they're excited to do that, or that makes them satisfied that they've complete that, they will work, work, work, work, work. They're the one who has to shut them out of the door at 5:30. Go home, you know, like, oh no, I just want to get this finished. No, go home. The manifesting generator, I'm a manifesting generator, and we also have a continuous battery of energy all the time. If we're doing something we like, like you can have manifesting generators that feel flat, you can have generators that feel flat and they they they're not having a great time because they're not doing the work that they want to do, or you know, but when you give them something that they're excited about, they will go, go, go. But manifesting generators, we are a bit all over the the shop. We're a bit like all tabs open all the time type of people, and we jump from one thing to the next, but we need variety in our jobs. If we're just given a generator can do one thing, they can stay in one track and they love it. A manifesting generator, you give me one thing to do, Ash. I'm I'm gonna be bored out of my bloody brain by the end of the week, and I'm gonna be looking for something else because I need variety. So it's really interesting when you see people in the office and I start explaining what a manifesting generator is like internally, and someone goes, Oh my god, that's me. I'm all tabs open, like a bit ADHD brain type of thing. And then you'll have people that can we stop on that.

SPEAKER_00: 10:24

Sorry, can we stop on that one for a minute? Don't you reckon that a lot of like do you think that that personality is something that people get drawn to property management, like, you know what I mean? Because and they love the property management career and keep on coming back to it because they because there is always like it is a bit of a multitasking role, like, yeah, there's variety.

SPEAKER_01: 10:49

BD manifesting generators make great BDMs because there's lots of different things going on all the time, and it's it's like when I was a BDM, I was very, very good at my job because I wanted the revolving, I wanted new people all the time to talk to, right? I wanted different situations, I've got new owners here, I've got new houses here, and then I'd put it into the pipeline of the property management, right? Property management, I always said was a revolving door. Like you have you still got the same tenants, well, not say same tenants, but your same houses, you've got the same owners, and a generator is good with that because it's the same sort of same sort of lane. A manifesting generator is probably someone who wants a little bit more variety than what's in their portfolio, but doesn't mean that they can't, they're not designed for that. It's just that they all want to make sure they're probably not great at task-based, if that makes sense. They want to have end-to-end management because they get the variety of all the different things in there.

SPEAKER_00: 11:52

Oh, and sorry, I've got one, I've got one more question on that one. Sorry. Sorry, I can talk and talk and talk. Sorry. No, no, no. I've got I just want to stay on that one for a bit more. Can you um can you tell me what your opinion is on the how do I word this respectfully? How do we I I want to bring in ADHD into it because there the the way that you described that, there are a lot of people that I know that would say I've got ADHD because I am, you know, jumping from one to the other. And I can you just give your thoughts about the link with that?

SPEAKER_01: 12:53

Yeah, I think look, I call my uh I'm not diagnosed, and I'm I'm sure that it's an easy thing for everyone to talk about because it's that feeling of having multiple things happening at the time. You've got 10,000 projects on the go, but if you only had one, you wouldn't be satisfied. And this is the thing with the manifesting generator. I believe it's easy to say ADHD type all tabs open because society knows what that means, right? But being a manifesting generator, this is actually the core of who you actually are. And when you understand that there's not anything wrong with you, you're not broken. This is the best way that your energy works, is because you are multilinear. You are not someone like a generator who has one career or one hobby and you master that hobby or you master that particular thing in your career. Like I can't even tell you how many careers I've had or different jobs I've had, because I will always follow, and this is something I'll talk about in a second, Ash, I'll follow my gut instinct on whether something is right for me or not. And that's that comes down to decision making, okay. And I'll talk about different decision-making things. But a manifesting generator, when you start getting your design and understanding, oh, I'm a manifesting generator, I'm allowed to have multiple tabs open. It's actually the best way that I work, and then this is how I thrive. This is how I thrive, exactly. And when I first found out my human design, like I've been into a lot of I'm a feng shui consultant, I've always been into sort of like ancient wisdoms and all that sort of stuff. And I didn't even know that this thing existed until about four years ago. And I had a friend who said, Oh, have you had your human design done? And I looked at her and I'm like, What are you talking about? And she goes, You don't know about this. And I read mine and I got an in-depth report, and I nearly cried because I felt like I was, I'd finally someone had allowed me to be me. It was like someone had read my diary or read my thoughts, and it was the most in-depth, oh this is okay, this is me. I'm allowed to be me. It gave me permission to be myself, and since then my world well, my world has expanded so much because I started working from what we call our strategy and authority. For each design has a different strategy and authority, and when I started following that, my whole world changed.

SPEAKER_00: 15:28

Amazing, amazing. All right, continue.

SPEAKER_01: 15:31

Okay, okay, so we've got five designs, five types, I should say. Now they're they're just very overarching. It's nearly like saying, Okay, you're a Pisces, you're a Sagittarius, you're a Scorpio, you know, like this very general, but it does get a really good idea to the way that you your energy flows through your body. So, say, for example, I'll just go quickly over the other ones because a manifester is someone who comes up with the big ideas, right? A manifest is someone that all of a sudden it's like this crazy inventor type of person. It might be the person in the office that comes up with the new procedures, the new social media. Like, and it's not like someone's come across and said, Hey, you can you design this? They're just pulling ideas out of the air, right? And they're they uh have to have the ability to have that creative spark without someone squashing it. And they don't don't ask them to actually complete the task that they've come up with. That's not for them. The generators and the manifesting generators are the workhorses, they're the ones will figure out this crazy manifestors idea, right? So manifestors are great for people in the office that are maybe in a leadership role and looking at new ways to expand or new procedures, things like that, but don't expect them to actually build it. Does that make sense? Yeah, they're not the builder, they're the ideas person. Uh, and then you have a projector. A projector is someone who comes with a lot of innate wisdom. They're not there to work. I'm not saying that they don't go to work all day. They're not designed to be like the manifesting generator or the generator which can like turn up at work and work their little butt off until five o'clock. A projector is someone who works in birth three or five, three to five hours is their maximum ideal working time, and then they have to go and recoup. But the work that you get out of them in that three to five hours is insane, right? So they because they're efficient, they're systems oriented, they're the people that can put make efficiencies. They look after the crazy manifesto generators and the generators and go, you guys are all over the place. I've got a better system than this, and I'm gonna, you know, cut your efficiency down. So projectors also are people that they need to be recognized, they need to be they that people need to come to them and go, Hey Ash, can you tell me about this? And the minute you ask them, the wealth of information will come out. Now, if you're a projector and you're trying to embody that wisdom on everyone else, but they haven't asked, it falls on deaf ears. It's like you're like, no one's listening to me, and you get bitter and twisted because you've got all this information to share, but no one wants to hear it. It's falling on deaf ears. But when you allow and wait for people to come to you as a projector, like you the invitation of the information, then people will basically sit down and look at you like you're like the the got all the knowledge, right? And then you feel this success, you feel recognized. And that's really important to a projector to feel that recognition, but have people come to them and ask the wisdom. I've had people change their whole careers that projectors that were kept forcing their information on people and people wouldn't listen. The minute they stood back and waited, which was really, really hard for them, but they sat back in the back until someone came up to them and said, Hey Jackie, can you can you talk about this? And then Jackie went on and then she won some Telstra award just over the fact that she changed the way that she was delivering her information.

SPEAKER_00: 19:11

So the position the I'm just trying to think of what a position in real estate would look like with that design. And the only one that's coming to mind is someone, and I may be completely wrong, and if I am, tell me, is like a CFO, be like a chief financial officer, someone who has like a lot of information, but no one cares about it. But sometimes I want to ask about it, and I need you to know and give me the information then. But if you're a CFO and you come to me and give me all this data and stats and stuff, I don't really care. That's the only position I can think of that would match that. Is there any others?

SPEAKER_01: 19:51

No, you're you're right, leadership roles, okay? Because you don't want to go and preach to your team, right? And you've got all this wisdom, you've got all the knowledge, how things can be better, how it can be efficient, all that sort of stuff. But no one wants a team leader that's constantly barking orders or say you've got to do it this way, right? But when your team trusts you and come to you, then they will listen to you, right? They'll you're imparting the wisdom on because they're asking. Team trainers, like you know, training. So someone just say, I was a projector. A lot of human design coaches are projectors and they wait for their clients to ask for the information, and then they're like, Okay, come in and talk to us about this information. People that work with systems as well, like any anyone that's developing systems uh in that type of role, but if in a smaller type of office, a projector would be a great, say, team leader or advisor within the office.

SPEAKER_00: 20:50

Yeah, that again, that makes complete sense. Because we have a fabulous operations manager in our team. And she, yeah, when people come to her, she'll absolutely know everything and love that. But sometimes if she goes to try and sit with the team to go through stuff, they're not really in the mindset that they want to do.

SPEAKER_01: 21:10

Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see what she is. Um, projectors are the fastest to burn out on a portfolio, yeah. Because their energy is just not designed for portfolio. Um they because they it is more that they have this wisdom. They're and once they start talking and they've been recognized, it's a whole nother level of them comes to light. Now, reflectors, very, very rare for you to have a reflector in the office. They're like 1% of the population. So I've only even done charts for a few reflectors, and when I meet them, you know it's not you might think that they're off with the fairies, right? But they're not. They're constantly reflecting back the culture of the office. Okay. So there's someone who can't, and I'll get onto decision making in a minute, but there's someone who can't make a decision like that. So you might look at a reflector and go, oh, like you're really wishy-washy, and I can't get anything out of you. No, it's the way they're designed to actually take probably a month to really feel into situations. They're very rare. They've got, when we talk about human design, they've got all centers open, which means they are taking in constant information from everyone around them or is around them all the time. And they've got to try and work out what their feelings and what their thoughts are compared to what are they taking out on from the people around them, the energies around them. So if we've got a reflector in property management, I'd love to meet them and just get, you know, have a chat with them about what life's like.

SPEAKER_00: 22:48

I reckon I've got one and I should put you in touch with them and see.

SPEAKER_01: 22:52

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so the other big thing with human design, like there is a lot of information once you go into a chart, but really all I want to concentrate on is the three main type, three main things. One is your type. Okay, so we've basically talked about the type. The next one is your strategy. How do you move through the world? Right? Strategy is basically okay, well, how are you supposed to deal with life? So with strategy, a lot of people are what we call their to to respond. Okay, now a manifesting generator and a generator needs to respond to a stimulus that comes across to them. So, what I mean by that is you might see an ad and you respond to that. There's a, oh, I'm interested in that ad or I'm interested in that product, or an email comes in, I'm responding to that email. You're responding constantly to things that are coming across. Like you see something, you read something, you hear something, you're responding. Whereas a manifester is there to inform and initiate, which means they're not waiting for external stimuli to come into their world to make up this idea. They're actually pulling it out of nowhere. Because you a manifest, you're like, where did you get that idea from? I've never seen anything like it, or I've never seen a system like that. Because they're not, they're not sort of taking in what they see out there in the world. They're actually their ideas are coming from another place, right? So it's just a creative energy that's inside of them that comes out. But they're real what's really important for a true manifestor is to inform everyone around them of what they're doing. Okay. If they don't inform the people around them of what's going on or what they're doing or where their energy is going, it causes a little upset with people at like disruption because this person's going off and doing all these things, but not told anyone else, and everyone's sort of like on edge of what this person's doing. So a manifesting generator has both things. We've got to respond, but we've also got to inform. Now, I'll give you some funny things about this because you might manifesting generators, if they're listening to this, they might go, oh my God, that's me. And I'll talk about this just in home life, right? It's like a manifesting generator, me in particular, I'll always be like to my partner or whatever, going, Oh, I'm just going to the toilet. Oh, I'm just going to hang the washing out. Oh, I'm just doing this. I'm just doing that. I'm not asking for permission, right? They go, Why are you telling me this? You know, like, why are you telling me you're like even in the office? Oh, I'm just going out to get a drink, or I'm just going, I'm getting up and I'm doing this, right? You're telling everyone around you, and they're going, I don't know why she keeps telling us all this stuff. It's because this need to inform people where our energy is going. This is what I'm concentrating on now. This is what I'm about to do now. Don't come and disturb me. Because when manifesting generators and manifestors get disturbed on what where their energy is about to go, they get really pissed off. Like, don't interrupt me. Like, I am doing, I told you I was doing this, don't interrupt me. So, manifesters and manifesting generators to inform the people around them of what they're up to because what it does, it causes less tension and less angst, right? Because people know, oh yeah, she's that's where she is. You're not wondering where she is, right? A generator is to respond, a projector is to wait for the invitation to then impart their knowledge. Okay. So as I said before, they've got to sit back, which it's not wait for the invitation to go for dinner, or it's the big things. Like don't don't go and push your information on, I want to change the culture of this office, or I want to bring in a new system. Don't go and do that until someone has asked you as a projector, and then they will actually sit and listen. A reflector minimal of you, they've got to actually wait a whole month to go through the cycles of everything, all the energy going on to actually make a decision. So don't expect them to do anything too fast.

unknown: 27:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 27:07

So that's strategy. And the last one is your decision making. How do you make a decision? And this is probably the biggest thing because people go, I don't know if I'm making the right decisions. Am I making the right choices? What's going on? Now it all comes from different areas. 50% of the population, I'll go through the two main ones. Ash, 50% of the population are emotional. 50%, well, there's a few others in there, but over 50% are emotional, and the majority or also the other majority are also what we call non-emotional or sacral beings. Okay. So 50% of the population need to wait to make a decision while their energy is neutral. Don't make a decision when they're in a heightened state, an excited state. Don't make a decision when you're in a depressive or low state. So what you've got to understand as in a property management team, you might ask someone to do something and you've got two people. And if you're a generator who or a manifesting generator who is what we call a sacral, a non-emotional, you can make a decision in a split second. Your gut will tell you in a split second whether that's yes, no. It actually talks to you. And I'll talk about that in a second. A non-emotional still has that gut, yes, no, but it's over it, it gets an override from this emotional state. Okay, so they need to, with their families, with their work colleagues, with anyone, they need to have the permission of having a day to sit on it. Like, hey, Ash, that's a really great question. Look, can I get back to you tomorrow with that? And you should be able to say, Yeah, that's fine. You have you have a think about that, let's chat about it tomorrow. If you expect an immediate decision from someone who's got an emotional authority, you can maybe get the wrong decision. So, say, for example, you've got an emotional decision, you get home from work, you're tired, you're had a shitty day at work, and your husband asks you to go out for dinner, or the kids want something. And straight away you're like, no, because you're making the decision from that low state. Where it could have been a perfectly good thing. If you were happy, you probably would have said yes. So it's sort of like if you're going to make big decisions, make sure that you have got the ability to say to the people around you, so look, Grook, great question. Look, can I have a think about that and get back to you tomorrow? Especially if you know that you're not feeling great or you're overly excited about something. Whereas someone who's non-emotional and they have a sacral center which is defined, which I am, I can make in I can make a decision in a split second by listening to my body. You'll even get it. Some of us are even what we call verbal, which means like even when eating food, you know, when someone's really eating something really yummy that's good, you know, like that's their sacral coming up. We also don't need too many decisions. So someone who's got a sacral, a non-emotional, just give them two options. If you start giving generators and manifesting generators too many options to pick from, they are overwhelmed and they don't know what decision to make. So for example, when you ask your family, oh, what do you want for dinner tonight? And they go, food, and you're like, What the hell do you have? You know, like, but if you say to your family, hey, do you just say you're taking takeout, hey, do you want, do you want to get a portos or do you want sushi? And if you've got a manifesting generator or a generator in your life, you're gonna get their little gut sensors will go, I want sushi, you know, and they'll say sushi, right? But if you give them an open-ended question as a manifesting generator and a generator, they're gonna struggle to pull that information in.

SPEAKER_00: 30:50

So it's best to limit them to two options and then go from there because they can't that's also that's also relevant, like when dealing with clients, that I always try to encourage people. We still have so many property managers that might say to a landlord, you know, this has happened at the property, what do you want me to do? Instead of going, This has happened at the property, I recommend these two options. Which one would you like? You know, it's um it I mean, we often don't know what our clients' human design is, but that's something that I think would be helpful for most clients.

SPEAKER_01: 31:27

Yeah, and I think when you look at the majority of the population are either generators or manifesting generates, by doing that, you'll probably, you know, most of the time, because your reflectors and your manifestors, manifestors are only seven percent of the population, reflectors are one percent of the population, so you can basically like you know, don't worry about them too much. Sorry, if you are uh we love you. Um, but yeah, I think if you if you're saying to people this open-ended questions don't work in property management because we want quick response times, we we want an answer and it helps our workflow. So treat your just remember not every just just like we are all different, or your owners are different too. But if you take that, that's an amazing, that's a great thing to share, Ash, because if we can limit the decisions that we've got to make just like anything, we're gonna get a faster response time. We're gonna look like we know what we're doing, which we do, but um, we're gonna come across a more authoritative to them as well. And we've already like we've already half thought of the the solution already by only giving them those two options. So, yeah, that's great. So, yeah, that I I if I went into any more, I would explode everyone's brains, right?

SPEAKER_00: 32:38

Well, let me let me jump into um to ask some questions because you have given us an incredible amount of information to um to downpack. And one question that I've got is if you are someone listening and you are aware that you have got someone in your team that is potentially not the right human design for that position, or maybe someone that you got you say to yourself, that person would make an incredible operations manager given their human design. What could a business owner or head of department do to encourage that person into the right role for them? What would be your recommendation to the business owner if you if you saw that there was someone in the wrong seat, what would you suggest they do?

SPEAKER_01: 33:32

I I think I think everyone's capable of every role, Ash. So we don't sort of get people thinking, well, I'm a projector, so I should be a team leader. Do you know what I mean? Like every it's just understanding the energy. But I think if if once you get to know people's energy and you you you look at them from a distance for a while, knowing this information and watch the way that they work, then I would say definitely say, look, hey, you know, can we have a conversation about I want to know what really lights you up about the work that you're currently doing and what maybe, you know, like maybe looking at redesigning, what things don't you like? And but the thing is they've got there's got to be no fear of that person giving you the right information, right? So that's where the biggest fear I think is when you sit down with someone in an office. If they don't feel safe and secure within the culture and you are asking them a question like that, there could be that fear of, oh, look, aren't I aren't I doing this properly? Do you know what I mean? Because the thing that I find, and I've really thought about this over the last week or so, you know, these personality profiles that we have with the disc and the Maya Briggs and things like that, they're very productivity oriented with the way that they ask questions. And I believe people don't really know what they are because they're answering the way that they think they should answer, or what's what should be the what should be the answer for the person in that type of role or the type of role that I think I'm suited to. And I think we really do get a false reading because it doesn't come down to their natural instincts, because a lot of the time they're completing it within a workplace, and oh, what would they want to hear about me if I want a promotion? You know what I mean? So that's where I find when you actually tap into this body, not the mind. So human design is all about tapping into how you feel within your body rather than the societal conditioning and us using our head to override actually how we feel on a daily basis. But yeah, if someone was looking at putting someone into a different role, I think you know, communication is the key, isn't it? And I think it's just sitting down and having maybe I could design some different questions that could be asked as I've, you know, progress through with these trainings in offices and see what comes up and maybe compile a list of questions for each type of what they would respond to. But I I think culture, and this is the whole reason I'm doing these these uh sessions, right? And talking about it because culture's key. Culture's what keeps people in an office, you know, what makes them excited to turn up every day. And when you know the different personalities in the office, you're gonna treat people differently. If you know, if I go, oh, Ash is an emotional decision maker, I'm not gonna expect an answer from her today, and I'm gonna be okay with that, rather than getting frustrated and thinking, well, if I can make a decision at a split minute, why can't you? And then you you have these barriers that start coming up in the offices because oh sorry, honey, she's not like you, you know, and give everyone a little bit of space to be themselves, and that way they're gonna be happier when they turn up to work the next day.

SPEAKER_00: 36:52

Oh, it that's so important. And I mean, I speak on behalf of everyone that does the teams, like you need to know your team so well because the for me, all the different personality types in in my team, and you know, we're I I'm it's not just me, I'm pretty confident that my team are also very patient and respectful of different personality types and you know what's important to someone, one person is not actually important to the other, but respecting that, you know, you know, respecting that in their role, I feel like that makes a massive, massive difference with culture and to stop any frustrations in in the team. It can be something I I part of me also feels like it's something that like I feel like it comes natural to me to understand people's, you know, a human design, but it's not something that I think feel comes naturally to other people. So what would you sort of suggest if someone is uh feeling a little bit frustrated with the team? Would it be about them looking at the human design of the others or potentially looking at the human design of themselves as to why they're feeling frustrated?

SPEAKER_01: 38:19

Yeah, if the feeling of frustration comes up and the where the fact that you're using that word, that's a non-alignment word for manifestors and manifesting, I mean manifesting generators and generators. When they're not aligned and they're not doing the thing that lights them up, the actual signature feeling is frustration, right? Signature feeling for a manifester if they're not aligned is anger. Like I don't even know what it's like to feel angry, but I know what it's like to feel frustrated. And for a projector, it's bitterness. I don't know what bitterness feels like in my body, but you ask a projector, so do you feel bitter? Oh yeah, I'm bitter, you know, and I don't even know what bitter. Yeah. And for a reflector, theirs is disappointment. Like, but I know what frustration feels like to the core, right? It's good, and it's really interesting to know what your signature feeling is. So just quickly, manifestor is they are anger and peace. So peace is their signature self. When they're everything's going right, they feel at peace with everything. When they're not, they're angry. It's anger for a manifesting generator. You get both the manifestor and you get the generators. So the generators is satisfaction and frustration. So you're satisfied with a job done. You know, it's not like you're like, woohoo, let's go celebrate, you know, like we usually are the type of people that we do something and then we're on to the next task. We don't even go and celebrate that success. It's just like, oh, I'm satisfied that I did that. And then frustration with a projector, it's success and bitterness. I don't know what it's like to feel success in my body, right? But you ask a projector, they'll know, oh yeah, I feel like I was a success at that. And then they're bitter and twisted when people don't recognize them. Yeah. And then a reflector is surprise and disappointment. They are surprised by people by people's talents, and they're very disappointed when someone doesn't use their talents in the world properly. Now, I've forgotten what you were going to say to me.

SPEAKER_00: 40:19

I was well, I was just going to say that I I don't actually know what anger feels like. And it's funny because sometimes I'm in a situation and I say to myself, if I I this is actually what goes in my brain. I always think, if I was a normal person, I'm pretty sure I meant to feel anger at this. So maybe I should try and be angry, but I just don't know how to be angry.

SPEAKER_01: 40:42

I mean, there's things we're gonna be angry at, but it's not your signature feeling, right? What was the question you asked me before that? Because I went off on a tangent. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 40:51

So yeah, my question was more that. Like if we found ourselves frustrated in a workplace, we would be more should we be reflecting on ourselves or seeking to understand other people or seeking to understand ourselves?

SPEAKER_01: 41:04

Okay, first of all, yourself, right? I think we need the awareness of how our own body works. And first, then go and do what I'm doing with these team sessions, right? Corinne is going to get me everyone's information so I can chart them, right? So then we're going to go into the office. And I think knowing everyone's design, even if it's as much as knowing they're a manifesto, manifesting generator, you know, like what's their work energy like from that you'll understand also their decision making. So I think knowing what your team is, not to go and put them in different boxes, okay? This is this is about recognizing patterns with that person and more importantly, understanding their decision making process and how they handle pressure, right? Because property management is always going to be reactive, right? How, but how do we how do we deal with someone maybe not reacting in the right way in property management and not being able to handle the stress, just like the other person, as you said at the beginning, one person can just like, oh my god, that's so easy. I've got that all sorted. The other person's quite capable. They're very skilled, but they're not handling this the situation the same because we're expecting them to work the same where they're they're not. So I think as a team leader or an office, or even just if you haven't even got a team leader, just as an office, do the exercise and find out what everyone's type is. I do have a free report that people can get. I'll just make sure it's up to date. But I'll there's a free download that they can get off my website where they can go and find out what they are, and I do it from a business point of view, like you know, what their traits would be. And it's a fun like lunchtime conversation, go out, have a wine with the girls or the team and all talk about like, oh, I'm this, oh, we knew you were that, you know, like that's and and then then it's like okay, this awareness of going, oh Ash, okay, you need a day. I I'm gonna stop asking you for decisions straight away because you need a day to think about that, and now I'm okay with it and I understand it, and it actually comes part of the culture in the office. Whereas, like, you know, Tanya, oh, I'm gonna ask you, you're gonna know straight away what this answer is because your gut's gonna tell you what's right. Now, the other thing, it might not be what's right for the office, but it's what's right for me, okay. And then it's like, okay, well, how do we work with that to make that right for the office? Is there anything we can tweak or a different way of doing things? So, yeah, I think I think at the end of the day, there's so many different team building things you can do, Ash. But you know, you can go out to mini golf, you can go out and have drinks, you can go out for lunch. But what I find, especially with bigger teams, is you still have these little clicks within the office where you might go and socialize, but the same people talk to the same people all the time, and you're really not, it's not you're not making the team stronger, right? Socially, yes. But when you have a team building exercise where it's a bit of fun, right? Because you all get to sort of like find out what everyone's really like, but it's that understanding and that awareness that you walk away with to go, oh now I get why she does it that way, or I get why he does it that way. Yeah. And it's yeah, I just think it's um a nice thing to know.

SPEAKER_00: 44:28

But it's also not just about the workplace, it's about your personal life and your personal relationships. And like I'm a you know, big believer that you have a happy personal life and you're gonna perform better at work and for your clients and your team. So it sort of it will be beneficial for your whole life, not just your percent.

SPEAKER_01: 44:51

That and that you I could talk for hours about your personal life with human design, especially with understanding your partner and your kids. Um, that's a really big one. Like, like I said, my I my partner's a manifesting generator, my daughter's a manifesting generator. So I've learnt to that question we said before, what do you want to eat? Like, I don't ask that anymore because I know what that they are we're just living our food. And I went, but if I give them like two options and go, hey, I'm either gonna make you know dumplings or with spaghetti. Oh, we want dumplings. Okay, no worries, right? That'll tell me straight away. But I also know when my partner says to me, and he does it, didn't realize until I I explained him he's an emotional decision maker. I'm not so he went to this is a classic example, Ash. I know I'm probably talking too long, but this will give you an idea. So he's a mad keen surfer, right? Loves his surfing. We're off in our van, we go up and down the coast. I work from the back of the van half the time, right? Hello, my life. I made that through human design. So we're off he saw this surfboard that he's like, Oh, I really want that. He's got about 10, right? Not like he needs another surfboard, but he has saw this surfboard at this shop. He had his wallet in his hand and everything, right? And he's like, Oh, I want that surfboard. And he went into the shop, and there was just like he goes, I really want it, I really want it. And there was a few things that weren't right with it. It was a secondhand one, and the fins were wrong or something, but he was like still really wanted this. He was really excited. And something happened, and she couldn't give us the answer. It was a it was a trade or something, and he couldn't give the answer, and we were staying in the caravan park across the road. And I said, Look, Ben, let's let's just you know, let's go have a beer, come back and think about it. Well, in the morning, he goes, I'm so glad I didn't buy that. It just it wasn't right. I was just overly excited about it. And I said, See, I need to take your wallet away from you and not buy when you're in your this excited state because he would have had buyer's remorse the next morning um because he needed that time to process. Whereas me, I see something I want, I'll know extinct, I will know extinctually. I can't even say that word, you know what I mean. Instinctively, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 46:54

Instinctively, instinctively.

SPEAKER_01: 46:56

I can't even say it. I will know by the way that my body reacts, and this is the problem. Like people have forgotten to listen to the internal cues with their body because we are so conditioned by society to be thinking with our head. I'll give you a really good one for a personal life to do with a generator or a manifesting generator because that's the bulk of the population. If you have, if you're sacral, if you're non-emotional, and Ash, you came to me and said, Oh, hey, Tanya, I'm moving house this weekend. Can you come and help me? Now, me as your friend, I would go, Oh, Ash needs my help. It's the right thing to do. I but your body is going, I really don't want to do that. I've got better things, but we override because we people please. And this is the biggest thing, too, in offices, okay? You're people pleasing, you're doing the things that are right because that's what you're supposed to do, or society tells you to do, or conditioning tells you to do, I must do that. But your kin continually overriding this sacred, which says, No, you've not got energy for that. No, you don't want to do that. You've got other things you want to do for yourself, but you say yes. So, what you find you do, and this is what I used to think, oh my god, I'm doing that. You know, when you say yes, but you roll your eyes at the same time, okay? That's that's your head saying yes and your gut saying no. It's like, oh, okay, oh, okay. Oh, it's a sigh and the okay. That means that's a no. And if it's a maybe, okay, if you're getting this, oh, I just don't know, it's between a yes and a no, it's called a maybe, and that's a no for now. Okay, it's not a yes, a maybe is a no for now. Come back to it tomorrow and see if it's a no or a yes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 48:40

Uh really funny you say, you know, talk about you know, the the people pleasers, because I've I because as we're talking, I'm like, yep, I know exactly where all my team are. And there was, I've got one who is so incredibly helpful, absolutely a yes person, love, loves to help people. But I feel like sometimes she she shouldn't say yes sometimes, you know. I think she should hold it back. And I had one of my other team members, I had said oh, said to me, Oh, she said that she would do it if I needed to. And I said, you know what, I don't want her to do it because I know she said yes, and I know she would absolutely do it, but it's not fair that she does that. And um, and so I don't want you approaching her about it. I want you to get this person to do it. So I try to sometimes protect that if I see someone who who is super helpful. And I mean, obviously, I let them, I don't do it all the time. I don't butt in or interfere, but just every now and then if I feel like nah, that's not needed, and I'll I'll yeah, I'll sort of try and protect that. Not sure if that's the right or the wrong thing to do, but if I do feel it, I sort it out.

SPEAKER_01: 49:45

Well, you know, at the end of the day, really what human design is about, is as I said, it's about the awareness of knowing that people are different to the pattern recognition to see, okay, well, why is this person maybe continually stressing out about this or why is this person feeling bitterness because people aren't listening to them, you know, like starting to understand the sort of dynamics that's going on in the office. You know, we're all still there to work hard, right? This is not a this is not a oh, I'm a projector or a reflector, so I'm just gonna have, you know, like have a little day bed in the the kitchen, you know, it's not about that. It's we're still gonna have stress, right? We're still gonna have stress, we're still gonna work hard, but what you'll find there'll be less resistance, okay, because you you're starting to understand how to manage it a bit better. Your decisions will definitely feel clearer, even if there's this one thing that people go away from is knowing where their decision making comes from. You might even have some people in the office, less it's less familiar popular, the the type, but you might have sounding boards in the office. Now, a sounding board person is someone who actually has to talk through things through. So they're talking to themselves, or they need someone to talk to before they can come back. It's like they just have to get it out, right? They have to say it to understand it in their head, to just understand the logic of what's going on before they can make a decision. So if you've got someone in the office, I've got a friend who does it, she's always like, Oh, but what do you think? She's not actually asking me for the answer, she's just verbalizing what's going on in her head, and that is the way that she makes decisions. And when you understand that, so when I talk to her now on Zoom, like at first I was like, Why do you keep asking me this, Nadia? Like, this is annoying me, but now it's not annoying me because I know that that's how she has to arrive at a decision is by verbalizing her thoughts. So, yeah, decisions become much clearer once you know that you stop questioning yourself constantly because I think that's one of the biggest things, you know. Am I doing the right thing? Am I making the right decision? And we're taking up valuable energy and space in our brains when it could be used for something else, right?

SPEAKER_00: 51:49

Yeah, absolutely. Now you've done um one of the reports, I've just pulled it out, and I I yeah, I just need to be reminded the information that I gave you for this report was my date of birth, my time of birth, and my location and and location. That is that's right, isn't it? That's sort of the information that you need.

SPEAKER_01: 52:09

It's basically like I'm not gonna get I can get all woo-hoo on you here, right? And I know that when I'll say this because I went to one of the coffees and conversations, the last one on the Gold Coast, right? And uh Corinne was there. And I was a little bit when I'm in professional settings, I'm a little bit hesitant, especially when there's principles and things like that, there to start talking about, you know, the human design concept, right? Because I'll go, oh, this is all just nonsense and fluff, right? And I had a few questions and people ask what you do, and I started talking about now. Everyone was just like ears on. Oh my god, this is amazing! Yes, we understand this. And I was like, Oh, I'm with my people, you know. So it is actually it's ancient wisdom, it all comes through from yes, when you were born, or your planetary alignments of when you came. It all works on a subconscious level and a conscious level. Okay, so we have this design date of what we are. Um, which is your profile. When you look at your profile, I can't remember what you were, Ash.

SPEAKER_00: 53:11

Yeah, well, I'm just having a look now. So I'm I'm a generator, yep. And that was my builder energy, and then I my I had a sacral authority. Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 53:21

So you're a decision, you are a fast decision maker.

SPEAKER_00: 53:25

Very fast, yes.

SPEAKER_01: 53:26

Yes, and then what is your three? You'll have uh two numbers. It'll be it's a profile. It might be on your profile might be two numbers with a slash between it.

SPEAKER_00: 53:39

Two numbers with a slash between it. I had well on the human design chart, it had like six, five, four, six. Is that the number or okay?

SPEAKER_01: 53:46

So look right at the top two corners. Okay, the the top two planetary things you'll have, um, and there'll be a dot. There'll be uh a number and then a dot, another number.

SPEAKER_00: 53:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 53:58

It should be on the f it should be on the chart.

SPEAKER_00: 54:00

It should be on the chart, like at the top one. I'm on the human design that one.

SPEAKER_01: 54:04

Yeah, okay. So tell me, is there one where I've got okay, down the bottom there it says your generator, then it says sacral, and then what's at the bottom of that what report I've got? Oh to respond. Okay. Now the top two, the top two, the top pink and the top blue, what's the what's the numbers say?

SPEAKER_00: 54:21

I've got six five and four six.

SPEAKER_01: 54:24

Yeah, no, in the little box. On the little box there? Yep. It's a point what four point one four four point one. Yeah, so one, yeah, and then what's on the other side? 1.5. 15.

unknown: 54:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 54:40

Okay, so your design, you're what's called a line one design, okay? Which means unconsciously, you're someone who you're an investigator, you're someone who wants all the information, all the knowledge before you feel confident in yourself speaking about it to others. You're an information, you're the researcher. Does that make sense to you? Like you're always wanting to research and find out new information, you'll go digging for stuff, right? Like you're really information's really important to you.

SPEAKER_00: 55:10

Yeah, the word I use for that for me is curious. Like, I'm always curious.

SPEAKER_01: 55:16

Yeah, yeah. So you're someone that needs to like to be confident in what you're gonna be speaking about, you need to do the back research first, right? You're not someone who's just gonna go and talk about something off of a whim and think you know about it. You're someone who's like, no, I'm really it really makes me feel safe and secure when I've actually done the work around that before I start sharing it. Does that happen?

SPEAKER_00: 55:41

I'm gonna give you a perfect example. So I'm getting right into the sustainable homes and sustainable living because I think that that's the next part in property management that we're gonna have to start looking into. So I've started doing my own house with that. So I've got myself a the solar panels and I've got myself a battery on my house so that I can see the process of how that will work if I was to recommend that to other investors. And then I'm going through, you know, even getting a water filter and I'm basically creating my personal home as a sustainable home so that I've gone through the process so that then when I recommend that to investors to create and a sustainable rental property, I've done it myself and known how to do it and how it's affected me living here.

SPEAKER_01: 56:28

That's probably yes, 100%. Now, this is not this is your when you when I say you're a line one in your design sort of type, that's your unconscious abilities. You don't, you're not even aware. It's not like you go, Oh, I must go research. It's just innately part of you to go and do this. Now that's sort of like your inner self. What the world sees, okay, what the world sees from you is a five profile. Okay, that's the outward facing profile personality type for you. Now, a five is someone who is here to be a change maker, they're also here to be in leadership, and they're also someone who people are drawn to them. You're seen as a problem solver, and in the old language, it's called like a you're a heretic or a martyr, right? But that's like that language is not really what we use today, but it's more of you're this problem solver. People come to you because you've lived through the experience, right? They trust you now. That's your outward-facing side, okay. And the one is more like it's just naturally what you are. Okay. So your profile is like your costume of how you turn up, and it's really like we can that's a whole nother level. Like, I'm a three-five, right? And until when I first read my human designs, I said to you before, it might was such a life-changing thing for me. It gave me permission to actually be myself. I went, oh my god, I'm not crazy. Because a three-five is someone who the three is the experimenter, it's the messy at life, and that's what people see. My three is my outside, it's the and my I've got a five as you, but that's my unconscious side, right? So this is like natural, it's just I just share, I just problem solve, I just turn up as a leader. It's it's just part of my DNA, right? But the messy side is like I've lived through experiences and I come back to teach the tribe the better way to do things. So, yes, my life has been chaotic. I've been married three times, I've been through domestic violence, I've, you know, all different sorts of stuff. And I come out of it on top all the time because that's just who I am. I'm a survivor, right? And I come back and share that with lived experience, no judgment or anything, but people are drawn to that because they're going, shit, Tanya, you've been through it all. I said, Yeah, I have. You know, do you want to hear what not to do? Um, that's pretty much how I live. And when I when I found that out, when I talk to people about their profiles, they're like, Holy hell, like, have you been in my diary? I'm like, nope, this is just part of your energetic makeup. And with human design, it is a combination of many things. One, astrology, right? Like, because you've got to give me that birth information. The other thing, it's also linked to the 64 hexagrams and the I Ching. And with science and quantum physics, quantum science, and also the chakra system and the tree of life, which is Kabbalah Tree of Life. All those modalities are being put together. And the thing is, like, I actually have a science degree, right? I have an environmental science degree. So, you know, I've got the analytical mind, but I've also got the esoteric wisdom to know that there are things before us that have come that actually make a lot of sense when we break them down in today's world. And science is catching up with esoteric wisdom. Okay, so we've actually got the 64 hexagrams in the I Ching, which make the gates of the human design. Those 65 hexagrams of the Ai Ching are now being linked to the 64 codons of our DNA. And like thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, the hexagrams came into being, and it all links with amino acids into the DNA, which we've got 64 codons, right? So it's like science is catching up with ancient wisdom and it's starting to be actually verified. So, yeah, like I I could go down a big rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:30

But the time's up, so we um that was so much information. I'm so grateful for your time this morning because I think there's so many people that are really gonna love listening to it and just learning how they can thrive personally and thrive in their career, which is what it's all about. And if people want to reach out, I'm gonna get you to send me through the details and the links for your website and. how to connect with you. So I can include that on the show notes. And please reach out to Tanya, go to a website and take a look at this the human design for yourself personally. But equally if you're looking for a workshop in your office, this would be a fantastic idea to do with your team as well. So thank you for your time, Tanya. Make sure you send me through your bits and pieces so I can include in the show notes and really look forward to seeing seeing some teams you know get on board and see how it helps them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:24

Yeah excellent. Thanks Ash for having me on